Why Girl Talk Sucks … I Think

by ThePseudonym on May 22, 2009

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I was originally going to write this post about why Girl Talk – aka Gregg Michael Gillis – is a terrible musician. His tracks are rife with short sound clips and fast cuts, which leave listeners in a dizzying fury; his songs are no more than compilations of several, thirty-second mashups. Although some of his mixes are subpar, a bunch of them (like “Hunger Strike,” Temple of the Dog with Ludacris “What’s Your Fantasy”), however, are really, really good – only problem is their length. Listening to one too many of these A.D.D. fueled compilations may leave you with a desire to find Gillis and force-feed him a bottle of Adderall.

Some of the mixes are an obvious attempt to appeal to the “the masses” – they feature only the “hottest” pop stars in order to elicit the “oh my god I’ve heard that before” reaction (Three 6’s “I’d Rather” and Springfield’s “Jesse’s girl”, for example). This was obviously a great way to elicit popularity, as I can’t think of any other reason he is renowned. Message to Gillis: you can’t just put shit together in musical time and expect it to be cohesive. It doesn’t work like that.

After doing a bit of research on the man himself I did gain some degree of respect for his music. In response to The New York Times Magazine’s comment that he is a “lawsuit waiting to happen” (nytimes.com), among other warnings, Gillis cites that his work is legal under the United States Fair Use statute. U.S. Fair Use declares the sampling of works as legal as long as the portion of the work is insignificant in comparison to the original (copyright.gov).

Ah, now it makes sense. Gillis makes capricious tracks in order to avoid getting tangled up in copyright laws. It also explains why he is supposedly so much better live: he can use as much or as little of the tracks as he wants. This doesn’t justify the crappy mashups, however, but makes some of his tracks much more legitimate. My verdict is in: Girl Talk still sucks, but not as much as I thought.

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  • Bastille

    Bullshit, he doesn’t extend his mashups for live show, he basically just hits play on any one of his cds and dances around and maybe gets naked. Fuck ADD mashups, the best mashups are the ones that last and make actual sense (like both songs are in the same key). And if you think he’s the only guy who can do what he does, check out Super Mash Bros, they do it better.

  • You Don’t Have to Love Me

    All I can really say on this matter is that I know from personal experience that his live show was awful. It wasn’t just the quality of music either, there’s something about his faux rock-star ass that brings out the worst in people — either that or he just makes music that very uncool people are into. It’s probably the later…

    At the show I went to people were all over each other in the bad way, they were all trying to get to the stage to touch this dude. Have you seen him? He’s not exactly a model. Things got VIOLENT. Then I heard that at a show this past fall there were legit fights that broke out. I don’t know what he does that sucks so much, but not going to see him when he came to Wes was one of the better decisions I’ve made in the past year.

  • Word…Life

    Yes now that Girl Talk is popular among suburban 12 year olds, it’s time to move hipster worship to someone far less known!

    girl talk, dare i say, is like any other mashup/ electronic artist out there. he relies on ridiculous beat drops and short loops that anyone with a neck can vibe to.

    excuse my shitty mood (first day of work today) but please, i can’t this fickle bullshit.

  • WordSmith

    I was at the same show as Mike and Mike. It was terrible…Girl Talk showed very little talent or real showmanship. That is all I have to say about that.

  • You Don’t Have to Love Me

    Well, I wasn’t actually at the show (as I said in the post). But it’s interesting b/c i was talking to Pseudonym last night and s/he said the opposite of what we’re saying, that people had told him/her that Girl Talk was incredible live. Now, perhaps those friends of Pseudo are the ones I was referring to in my earlier response, but who knows. Whatever it means the score is still 2-1 Bad Reviews leading Good.

    Girl Talk sucks though. For real.

  • Anonymous

    Youre an idiot

  • The illDefined

    anon, I beg to differ (aahhh the beef begins)

  • Anonymous

    I think I'm pretty late to be entering this conversation, but I just wanted to put in my thoughts.

    I think this post makes a good point, but that it’s looking at things from the wrong angle. Girl Talk’s music is not something to be intellectualized. It’s a novelty. It’s for fun. I've had so many amazing pick up, sing-along dance parties just by throwing on Night Ripper. It's one of my favorite albums, not for the quality of the music, but for the opportunities for connection with people that the music can create.

    And that, to me, is what Girl Talk is all about. He's not a showman in the traditional sense because the point of his shows is not to watch him. This goes back to all the past radical artistic movements that have violently rejected the norm, back to the beginnings of punk and even Dada before that.

    People didn’t go to punk shows to stand and nod; if we're talking hip-hop, you could say people didn’t go to Kool Herc’s first parties to stand and nod. The point of it is to have fun and to connect with those around you in an environment that breaks down boundaries. That's what his shows do, in my experience.

    These movements tend to happen whenever artistic snobbery and corporate pressure start to get stifling. We know that in these times, people reject everything just for the sake of freeing up their creative spirit again; they burn choked woods to make room for new growth, because what is art good for in the first place if it doesn’t have that fire in it?

    With this frame of reference, is it surprising that in the midst of a twisted music industry Greg Gillis pops up with a royal middle finger to everyone’s ideas of what music, shows, and artists even are?

    And not just him, obviously. There are and have been many other great mashup artists. He just seems to be the most successful at the moment, and therefore the most influential.

    I have to defend Girl Talk about this as well. He did not start making music to appeal to “the masses.” He’s not a money grabber. In fact, I doubt he ever thought he would make money or be at all successful making mashups. He is not using pop samples to get recognition. He’s using them because he’s either fucking with hipster’s heads or he sincerely likes them. Either way, he is the antithesis of snobbery. He's got a little Marcel Duchamp in him, and he’s signing his name on a urinal and sending it to everyone who’s too cool to just dance and sing along to a Springfield sample.

    As the post mentions, Girl Talk also has some cool ideas about copyright, sampling and the future of the music business, which he is not only preaching, but also putting into action on a huge scale. The man deserves respect just for having the guts to release albums after how much attention he’s been getting.

    Basically, It seems like there’s a lot of criticism being thrown at someone who isn’t even in it to make "serious art."

    That’s not to say this particular show some of you saw didn't suck. Maybe he was a dick that night. I don’t know. I wasn't there, but I had a great time when I saw him. I danced my ass off.
    Just sayin’.

    I really don't know why I wrote this much. I guess I've just been thinking about it lately.

    Love to all you guys, whoever you are. I like your blog. Hope I don’t come off as too much of an asshole.

  • Music Veteran

    cant agree with you more, just watched him on Hulu and i was like why is this guy so popular, more so why does he actually think what he is doing is different from any other kid who plays samples at house parties.

    im sorry but 20+ years of experience in the music world will never lead me to believe this is “good” music it just wont, ive seen how he composes and how he creates his effects its a joke. the fact he adjust his own creative ability for the simple fact he doesnt want to get sued is pathetic in itself.

    i would never sacrifice my own limits in life for money, like you said it obviously affects his music, i dont want to listen to some guy plays a mixes for an hour.. i know how they go about it and they carry on some songs way too long. its not like he is Justice or something at least they have a real musical background and it show in their music.

    its just outstanding to me people really like this guy as if its something new, its just sad to see people like him make it when there are so many other deserving artists with a real understanding of music out there or even thinking of poor individuals who have worked so much harder than he has and even produce so much more but have had to have him open for them only to steal the spotlight because people are so brainwashed to whats on the radio. he has no intention or care to ever play an instrument for christ sakes. how can you call yourself a musician and youve never once played an instrument or even composed your own song at least…

    i truly feel this should be illegal, it not only hurts those artists who he uses (ill be honest i could care less about any of them because all the samples he uses are from talentless hacks already which makes it worse for him trying to be creative with something thats already garbage….anyway back to topic) it truly is really fucked up to think about, i know the law could be reworked for instances like this because he is making a damn good living off of literally barely doing anything.

    Gregg even had the nerve to sit around saying his sets takes a total of 2 years to make, are you kidding me dude? are you musically retarded or something? 2 years to make one set with nothing but samples that are spaced a bar apart???? what the fuck is all i have to say to that, especially after hearing his music.. his effect usage is nothing to brag about let alone his composition skills.. i was just completely shocked..

    i dont hate the guy or would i ever be mad at him, i just dont appreciate what he does in the least let alone understand why he goes about carrying it like its “original” he says that so many times yet he falls in the same category of every other DJ (correction sampler, calling him a DJ is an insult to those who can do more with 2 turntables than he has done his entire lifetime) youve heard at a house party before, seriously.

    im just sick and tired of music going in this direction, i dont want to have to hear another 10 years of morons who want to follow someone like him only to create music with less life and even more bland. i dont get how anyone can really get pleasure or a real sense of achievement by using nothing but other peoples music anyway. i get so bored mixing its not even funny yea its fun or fun to get people hyped at a party but its not rewarding, its mainly just that hype.. its not like you could play Girl Talk in a room full of sober individuals and they are going to go ape shit crazy, lets be realistic. none the less its not even funny and i cant make music without feeling, thats what his music is, made for parties where feelings arent welcome, just being oblivious to everything around you while in a drunken bliss.

    i dont know about you guys but ive grown too intelligent for this crap. what happened to musicians like Bjork and Sun Ra, truly unique and inspiring individuals who not only had an amazing persona but music to match that 100x times with pin point accuracy. now we have all these low lifes with a slight musical know how getting support from record labels because those labels know they will take no work on their part.. they are just cash cows that are easy to milk, do you honestly think the label thinks his music is good.. i highly doubt it but they know how stupid america, sadly half the world is and you bet your bottom dollar they are going to take advantage of that.

  • Anonymous

    Music Vet, Thanks for your comment,. I think the point i agree with you most is where you talk about his music as lacking feeling… I, for one, get no emotion whatsoever from his work. People say that “emotion” isn’t what his music is designed for, it’s designed to be a good time and make you dance — I like to dance, as a matter of fact, i LOVE to dance — and I’m still not getting stuff from him. There are musicians out there who make original music (or even sample/dj/mix whatever) with similar tempos, patterns, etc. that I am more willing to dance to. dancing to girl talk is a lot like eating a mcdonalds hamburger when you’re used to backyard grill outs — by definition I’m still eating a hamburger, except one of them had its soul processed out.

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